MotoPsycho's Meager Mod's - Tank 1/2 lean EXPLAINED

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MotoPsycho

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The tank half lean sydrome is a very simple hydraulics problem. In a hydraulic cylinder formula, the force on a hydraulic piston is equal to the pressure in the hydraulic cylinder, times the hydraulic piston area.

So, in your truck, the outflow pressure to the carburetor, equals the pressure on the fluid (force on the hydraulic piston) times the fluid surface area (hydraulic piston area).

Here is a more clear example:

Let’s assume there is 1 PSI of force being applied inside the fuel tank by the exhaust. (force on the hydraulic piston)

If the fluid surface area (hydraulic piston area) of the larger top portion of the tank is 2 square inches , the pressure exerted to force fuel to the carburetor is 2 PSI. (2 square inches x 1 PSI = 2 PSI)

If the fluid surface area (hydraulic piston area) of the smaller bottom portion of the tank is 1 square inch, the pressure exerted to force fuel to the carburetor is 1 PSI. (1 square inch x 1 PSI = 1 PSI)

Therefore the exhaust pressure is capable of exerting more force on the upper portion of the tank than the lower.

This means more fuel is forced to the carburetor through the upper half (2 PSI) of the tank than the lower half (1 PSI), causing the half tank lean syndrome. The truth of the matter is that the tank offers exactly two settings – fuel, and less fuel – and it changes at mid tank.

While many of the fixes forum members have offered to remedy this problem may “helpâ€, the only truly effective fix is a fuel tank that offers a consistent fluid surface area through the entire tank. In other words, a tank that is the same size square (or rectangular) from top to bottom. (such as the Ofna tank) is the only true FIX.

As a side note, many have mentioned gravity as a factor, it’s really not-

Water exerts .403 pounds per foot of fluid.
So, in a fuel tank that is roughly 2 inches tall, there is only a 0.03 PSI discharge pressure difference between a full tank, and an empty tank – if it was full of water. Hopefully your tank has nitro, which has an even lower specific gravity than water, meaning it exerts less gravity pressure than water. While gravity may be a small factor in fuel flow, I would argue as to it's importance in delivering fuel to the carburetor.

As for the “siphon effectâ€, the same rules apply. There is less than 4 vertical inches to mount tanks or fuel line on your truck, and in a siphon, pressure and suction cancel one another out based on equal vertical elevation.
You only need to consider the vertical difference between tank outlet and carb inlet then factor a 0.015 PSI / inch difference (weight of water per inch - remember, your fuel is even lighter) – that is all that matters, and really, it is irrelevant.

We could also go into "line loss" due to friction caused by diameter, line and curves - but why?

So, if you don’t like the ½ lean problem you have, buy a new fuel tank! :Mr.confused:

Here is a thread for one solution: Clicky

:rock: Moto :rock:
 
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once again Moto I'm impressed. I've been running that problem through my head, I was thinking gravity feed might be partly the problem, put you put that to rest. between you and everyone else on here I'll have a real nice savage before too long.
 
between you and everyone else on here I'll have a real nice savage before too long.

That is what a good forum brings to ALL of it's members - A collective knowledge, which HPISF seems to embrace.

It's sad, I posted this very thread on another 4M that I frequent, and it was deleted by an admin almost immediately - because it was just going to cause arguments amongst the members

I appreciate HPISF's members and staff for their maturity and friendliness :salute:
 
Kudos Moto! VERY good explanation. You are exactly correct with the hyd analogy. You explained it so that most members can understand it. Thanks for bringing this and other info to the forum, I beleive this is what makes this forum so much better than the others out there. Most come looking for answers and they can find it here. I know I am glad to be a part. Keep the info coming I appreciate it you are One Fart Smeller. thank you.
 
That is what a good forum brings to ALL of it's members - A collective knowledge, which HPISF seems to embrace.

It's sad, I posted this very thread on another 4M that I frequent, and it was deleted by an admin almost immediately - because it was just going to cause arguments amongst the members

I appreciate HPISF's members and staff for their maturity and friendliness :salute:

Thats what we're about. Once again thanks for taking the time to make a clean, well organized, and informative thread.
 
So does anyone know of a tank that will mount in the stock location that would meet the above criteria?
 
So does anyone know of a tank that will mount in the stock location that would meet the above criteria?

I do know of one, just have to find the link's



Here's the one I like (actually I have one but don't really see the problem so I will use the stock one till I need it, this mounts in the same place, only thing is it is a bit smaller than stock, but still better than filling 1/2 way up.
http://www.neweramodels.com/item.cgi?session_id=muystsdiwsufsdwyfmsydlcxsddbqbsr&part_id=1704

they have another tank but it mounts in the rear.

John
 
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So does anyone know of a tank that will mount in the stock location that would meet the above criteria?
Sorry Wister - I kinda doubled up on ya

Ofna sells a tank that works very well for this, however it offers a shorter run time due to it's size and it requires some basic tools and fabrication skills.

Ofna Tank Clicky Here

Here is a photo of an installed tank:

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  • Photo credit to Twistedsavage - Lake in the hills, Il.

Here is the mod I did Clicky

Also, there is a pre-fab kit available from New Era Models, which I understand to be a fairly straightforward "bolt on" kit:
Clicky Here

I'm sure there are other options, but these seem to be the most popular.

-Moto
 
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Thanks MotoPsycho and Wister. Now has anyone ran either one of these and what are their thoughts.
 
UPDATE: I am now running this setup, and it has cured the problem - I will never return to the stock 4.6X tank.

(I haven't ran it yet, but I have read a great deal about it.) Everyone who posted about it, said it took care of their problems -

Keep in mind that even the "snake oil" remedies for this problem received the same shining reveiws, including secondary header tanks, larger fuel lines, fuel line inside the tank, large fuel filters, mid tank mods, etc.

I will say there is validity in the mid tank mod due to the fact that it generally replaces the stock tank with a....
NEW TANK! :rock:
 
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So does anyone know of a tank that will mount in the stock location that would meet the above criteria?

New Era sells a kit, but it is a bit costly. I have one on my truck. GOOD JOB MOTO!!

They also sell a rear-mount kit that can be ADDED to double fuel capacity.

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how about the rd logics tank?? ive been looking at them and from what i see in pics its is the same size at the bottom as the top, just offset, what do u guys think??
 

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