Savage XL pull start shaft holder

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Daithi.L

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Hi All,

New to the Hpi Savage world so could use as much help as possible, i currently have a trophy 3.5 and recently got back into them and purchaced a used Savage XL.I have had a look around and cant seem to find an answer to my question,

When buying the savage i was aware of intermitant starting issues when the roto start just rotated without the engine turning over, it turned over and ran perfect about 90% of the time so i was not to concerned and put this down to a one way bearing which was damaged.

When i opened it up and and checked the bearing was knackered so relieved with that but then i noticed the shaft holder didnt look right as the shaft holder and pin in the con rod are not connected as below.20221114_102039.jpg20221114_102044.jpg
I cant find anything online about this other than the below part which they seem to be connectedScreenshot_20221114-003358_Chrome.webp
Does anyone have any info on this as I'm getting mixed up with the k5.9 and f5.9 parts when trying to find an answer online. Sorry about the script but wanted to give as much info as possible, look forward to hearing back, thanks
 

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Where is the pin on your engine? I looked and it looks to me that it is in the end of the crankshaft should also be a spring in there at the bottom to keep it engaged in the bearing holder also, pull it out and reinstall into the 1 way holder and put back together....
 
 
Jam 1 said:
Where is the pin on your engine? I looked and it looks to me that it is in the end of the crankshaft should also be a spring in there at the bottom to keep it engaged in the bearing holder also, pull it out and reinstall into the 1 way holder and put back together....
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Yes the pin is in the crankshaft, i know the spring you are talking about but i didnt notice it, i will have a look again when i get home. The bearing holder doesnt have a circle hole where the pin would sit in, its an oval shape not sure if you can see it fully in the picture. This is why I'm unsure as to what way it should be. I had planned on taking the shaft holder out, pressing the bearing out and replacing it with a new one that i have ordered. This is when i noticed my pin is in the crank and not attached to the shaft holder as in the above link and every other picture i have seen trying to find anything out about it. Have you seen this before? Probly be best off just order a new part above would i?
 
I was also looking at hpi manuals and it seems to be all one piece part number
15294. Mine could have any sort of parts in it as it was bought used, just suprised it worked fine and if anyone has seen it before and what would be the best thing to do
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On the K5.9 & K4.6 the pin should be pressed into the OWB, yours has come loose which is a common problem with them and there is no pressure spring for this type of OWB. The metal the OWB is made of is very soft and the pin over time stretches the hole it is pressed into in the bearing and comes out getting stuck in the end of the crank. If you can get it out you can press it back into the bearing with a vise. The bearing metal is that soft you can push it through the metal so it grips further in. I have had to do this to a couple of mine.
 
Here some phots of one that I have repaired, as you can see it had stretched the hole like yours. The pin I have used on it is a 2.5mm wheel axle hex pin from a 14mm savage hex. Just press the pin through the housing with a vise until it pushes all the way through and you can see it on the other side.

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Thanks for the info, i will do this over the next couple of days when i get the chance.
The pin in mine is free and not stuck in the crank thankfully, in your pictures did you have to drill the housing to allow the pin to go all the way through as mine doesnt open through to the other side?
I will have to check what size the pin i have is as not sure, any reason why you used a 14mm pin rather than standard one, or is the standard one 14mm?
 
Daithi.L said:
Thanks for the info, i will do this over the next couple of days when i get the chance.
The pin in mine is free and not stuck in the crank thankfully, in your pictures did you have to drill the housing to allow the pin to go all the way through as mine doesnt open through to the other side?
I will have to check what size the pin i have is as not sure, any reason why you used a 14mm pin rather than standard one, or is the standard one 14mm?
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Hey brother having this problem! What did you end up doing?
Gazzman said:
Here some phots of one that I have repaired, as you can see it had stretched the hole like yours. The pin I have used on it is a 2.5mm wheel axle hex pin from a 14mm savage hex. Just press the pin through the housing with a vise until it pushes all the way through and you can see it on the other side.

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when I took mine apart I have 2 separate pins!! Any ideas?
 
Yashimo23 said:
Hey brother having this problem! What did you end up doing?
when I took mine apart I have 2 separate pins!! Any ideas?
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This is an older thread, and the OP has not signed in for over a year.

Can you upload a picture of you and your brother's components?
Are the two of you running the same engines and what is the identity of his engine?
 
If any of you still have this problem on a K series mill and the OWB itself still works ok. you can drill a new hole in 1 of the 2 remaining flat surfaces on the bearing case and press a new pin in. The K4.6 bearing does not have the oil channels so you can drill the hole anywhere. The pin I used to repair mine was a standard wheel hex pin from a Savage 25. Think they are 2.5x12mm. Drill the hole right though at a slightly smaller size 2.4mm or if you only got 2.5mm make sure the drill bit is good quality preferably a titanium bit. drill a clean straight hole, use thread lock as you press it in. I just used a bench vice. make sure you drill all the way through the bearing housing. The OWB casing is made from chocolate metal so the pin presses in easy, ain't perfect but works. the issue is caused by the alloy insert the original pin is press in to being soft and the hole becomes elongated and the pin comes loose. Did the repair on the one earlier in this post back in 2022 and it's still good today.
 
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Yashimo23 said:
when I took mine apart I have 2 separate pins!! Any ideas?
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Sounds like the problem has happened before to the mill and someone didn't remove the pin from inside the crankcase. lucky it didn't jam the motor. Only reason i can see. The pin locates into the crank and as we all know. One crank, one pin to locate into it, two just wouldn't work.
Another unlikely option is that the pin snap somehow. Million to one chance of that happening.
 
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