Noob with Axial 28 stalling!

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ThaDentist

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Hey all,

I have been away from R/C for about 10+ years. I thought I got a really good deal on a Savage X SS 4.6 with an Axial 28 engine off ebay ($190). However, the truck got here a couple of days ago and it is in pretty rough shape. The wife saw it and commented that it looks like it has been beat all to hell. (Never let the wife see it until you have cleaned it up!) Things kind of go down hill from here.

It turns out, it is not a X, it is just a SS 4.6. The receiver in the truck is fried. (I don't care b/c I have a JR XS3 tx/rx on the way.) There are screws missing in several places. (I don't think the guy knew he had to use threadlock to assemble the truck.) The back-up engine (original K4.6) which is supposed to be working condition in frozen in place and the starter output in the driveshaft is snapped off. (Probably tried to start the engine with piston frozen.)

This comes to the problem at hand:
I replaced the glow plug and was able to get the engine started. (After a lot of pulling.) It would idle and I was able to adjust the idle, however, when you give it any throttle, the engine bogs and dies. The truck came with a Viper Temp/Failsafe (the only thing that seems to work!). I watched the engine temp rise to about 270F while just idling. I killed it at this point. (It is about 50F outside.) Looking at the carb, I found that the MSN was turned out about 2 full turns, the LSN was turn in about 3 full turns, and the HSN in about 1 full turn. I reset the engine back to factory settings. I was able to get the engine to start, but it still died when giving more than an 1/8 throttle.

Oh, and top it off, I broke the pull starter on the Axial. I was able to pull the rotostart off the broken engine and reinstall it on the Axial, but I don't have a rotostart unit. (I was planning on buying the bit and using a 14.4v drill.)

So, HELP!
Do you think I should try and contact the seller because I wanted and X and got a pre-X? (I don't think I can return it because I broke the damn pull start.)
Where is a good place to find the missing screws in the midwest? Lowes? Homedepot? Menards?
Any idea why the engine will not run when set to the factory setting? I have read to start with the HSN, but if you can't get the engine to do anything but idle, how the hell do you do that?
Will the 14.4v drill work as a starter?
How do you get your wife to stop saying "I told you so"?

Thanks again,
ThaDentist
 
Sorry about your bad luck man .. i would contact the seller and ask for some money back or you will start a dispute w/ paypal ( I hope you used paypal) ... Try and at least get some money back to help you fix the truck .. if not Part it out and find one on a forum .. Someone w/ good feedback

Welcome to the forum man ..
 
I would for sure contact the seller. You have the right to a dispute for sure, as it was not what you were bidding on. Be cordial with him and see what he says, maybe get a partial refund to buy some x style parts and new pullstart. I go to my local Do it best hardware store for nuts and bolts. If they do have it, Mcmaster Carr will on the internet.
 
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ThaDentist said:
Hey all,

I have been away from R/C for about 10+ years. I thought I got a really good deal on a Savage X SS 4.6 with an Axial 28 engine off ebay ($190). However, the truck got here a couple of days ago and it is in pretty rough shape. The wife saw it and commented that it looks like it has been beat all to hell. (Never let the wife see it until you have cleaned it up!) Things kind of go down hill from here.

It turns out, it is not a X, it is just a SS 4.6. The receiver in the truck is fried. (I don't care b/c I have a JR XS3 tx/rx on the way.) There are screws missing in several places. (I don't think the guy knew he had to use threadlock to assemble the truck.) The back-up engine (original K4.6) which is supposed to be working condition in frozen in place and the starter output in the driveshaft is snapped off. (Probably tried to start the engine with piston frozen.)

This comes to the problem at hand:
I replaced the glow plug and was able to get the engine started. (After a lot of pulling.) It would idle and I was able to adjust the idle, however, when you give it any throttle, the engine bogs and dies. The truck came with a Viper Temp/Failsafe (the only thing that seems to work!). I watched the engine temp rise to about 270F while just idling. I killed it at this point. (It is about 50F outside.) Looking at the carb, I found that the MSN was turned out about 2 full turns, the LSN was turn in about 3 full turns, and the HSN in about 1 full turn. I reset the engine back to factory settings. I was able to get the engine to start, but it still died when giving more than an 1/8 throttle.

Oh, and top it off, I broke the pull starter on the Axial. I was able to pull the rotostart off the broken engine and reinstall it on the Axial, but I don't have a rotostart unit. (I was planning on buying the bit and using a 14.4v drill.)

So, HELP!
Do you think I should try and contact the seller because I wanted and X and got a pre-X? (I don't think I can return it because I broke the damn pull start.)
Where is a good place to find the missing screws in the midwest? Lowes? Homedepot? Menards?
Any idea why the engine will not run when set to the factory setting? I have read to start with the HSN, but if you can't get the engine to do anything but idle, how the hell do you do that?
Will the 14.4v drill work as a starter?
How do you get your wife to stop saying "I told you so"?

Thanks again,
ThaDentist
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Hello Dentist, welcome to the forum! I'm wondering if you can add the link to the ebay auction or give some photos of your savage.
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There are 2 savage X's: 1 is the X rtr (ready to run, just add fuel & batteries) which comes with an F4.6 mill & the X ss (which is a kit that you assemble & has some upgraded parts) which comes with a K4.6. The "pre-X" styles were the Savage 25 & Savage 21, so by the sounds of it, you have a Savage Xss.
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I'm gonna say that 1 of the experienced Axial guys here are gonna chime in soon & help you tune that mill so it runs properly for ya... if you can get it to start & idle, then it will most likely run for you when tuned properly. I don't think you did so bad for $190 ... a few tweaks here & there & you've got yourself a savage a lot cheaper than would be brand new.
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here is the stock screw set for your savage http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-4-6-SAVAGE-X-NUTS-BOLTS-SCREWS-GRAB-BAG-HPI-SS-25_W0QQitemZ110329803114QQihZ001QQcategoryZ44028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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oh yea, & "how do you get your wife to stop saying i told ya so?" .... start a slush fund & keep this hobby/addiction on the down low 😛eace:
 
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Yeah an Ebay link would help with my decision on what to do buddy. First off like frddy said sounds like you have an Xss(easy way to check is if the TVP(metal plates on each side) Have an X shape near the front. Second the axial sounds to either have lost compression or some nasty air leaks. About you ebay/paypal dispute ... I'm on Ebay ALOT and if he listed anywhere that this truck was running then you can open a complaint because it apparently doesnt. YOu breaking the pull starter well that could be an issue but i don't think a big one really. I would definatly talk to the seller first tho. Good luck
 
welcome to the forum dentist i would definatly contact the seller. hpi did make an ss before the xss so it is possible that you got a pre xss if the tvps are bare aluminum thats what you got. as for the axial if the seller doesnt want to help you out seal it up and start fresh with base settings. tune the hsn first it affects everything from the idle to wide open and sounds like your mill is lean (air leak). hope this helps
 
On my axial these are the settings it's at:
Hsn-2.5 turns out
Lsn about 7.5-8 turns out
Mid-flush (factory setting) also place a glob of rtv over it, they always leak.

Another area that leaks is the front bearing, once u get it running good keep an eye on the from of the engine for fuel.
 
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I'm sorry to hear about the deal!! it kinda peeves me when people do that if i was selling my truck i would make sure it was "together" and running properly or would state what problems there was anyway... welcome to the forum.. and as to your question yes i would contact the seller, even if you cant send it back sometimes sellers are willing to go out of there way to make there customers happy but I'm not sure about this one but i would try anyway.. if nothing happens all of us here will help you get it back in shape as quickly and cheaply as we can so again welcome to the forum!!
 
Thanks for the comments guys, I actually opened a dispute with paypal last night. Lets see what happens. Here is a link to the auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=220333813189

It is hard to see it in the pics, but the truck does not have an X on the TVP and the radio box is not the X radio box. (The frame is also bare aluminum like Mickey said.)

I need to wait until the seller replies to me, but I will seal up the engine and reset it to factory.
Baddasz - Were those setting turned out from flush?

Will 14.4v provide enough power to start the truck?

Thanks again!
 
dentist, i wish we could turn back the clock & you find this forum before you bought the truck so we could coach ya. looks like the seller put together extra r/c parts & made a 'roller' to sell on ebay. you can kinda tell because there are hpi & traxxas parts & no one else bid on the truck; usually, if its a good deal, then there would be several bids on it.
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The thing that troubles me about a pal pal dispute is this disclaimer.... "Due to the nature of the hobby the item will be sold as-is."
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other than that, the truck is useable & you have a new Tx/Rx coming for it & you have found some guys that can help you tune up the axial.
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my advice at this point: install your new Transmitter/Reciever & if you cant get that axial in shape, get a new mill & your still gonna have a pretty good savage. even if you put a new k4.6 in it http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HPI-Savage-SS-K4-6-Engine-Pull-Start-K-4-6-SALE_W0QQitemZ330298381184QQihZ014QQcategoryZ44028QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem then your still about $150 to the good if you went brand new 😛eace:
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oh, btw, plcman1 on ebay is reputable; several of us buy from him often:jamout:
 
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ThaDentist said:
Thanks for the comments guys, I actually opened a dispute with paypal last night. Lets see what happens. Here is a link to the auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=220333813189

It is hard to see it in the pics, but the truck does not have an X on the TVP and the radio box is not the X radio box. (The frame is also bare aluminum like Mickey said.)

I need to wait until the seller replies to me, but I will seal up the engine and reset it to factory.
Baddasz - Were those setting turned out from flush?

Will 14.4v provide enough power to start the truck?

Thanks again!
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Not there tuned out from if u turn the scew all the way in.
Like turn the screw in the screw it out the amount I states above.
 
Thanks guys!

Thanks for the input, guys! After reading your input and some other threads, I am pretty sure there is an air leak. When I gave the mill a little throttle on the stand, it would not hold a steady RPM and began to race out of control.

Like I said, I opened a case with Paypal last night and sent the seller a list of the problems with the truck. How long should I wait for them to reply before I excalate the case?

Also, this is the first time I have ever done this. What are the possible outcomes? Partial refund? Full refund? I imagine that Paypal will make me send the truck back if they issue a full refund, is that true? How long does this process take?
 
That is definatly not an X SS, but you should have tried to settle this without ebay or paypal first(via their rules) it just show character on your end. Personally I wouldnt touch that truck until Paypal says you are stuck with it or not.
 
I really don't expect this person is going to reply to me and that is why I decided to contact them through Paypal. If this person really did assemble this truck, he would have known it was not an X.

I was planning on keeping the truck inspite of it not being an "X", but I just keep finding more and more wrong with the truck. I really am hoping I can work something out with this person. Returning the truck would just be a pain at this point. I am planning on giving them a week or two to reply. I just don't know what else to do.
 
Ahh ok if you plan on keeping it then ya start trouble shooting it, but also I don't know whats going to happen with the dispute if you are planning on keeping it. Not trying to pick on ya man jsut trying to help you out.
 
haha, no worries, it takes a lot more than that to make me feel picked on! I was able to fix the pull start this morning, so they can't say that I have ruined the truck. (Wow, it is a pain in the *** getting that spring back in there!)
 
Updated - I was finally able to contact the seller. It turns out he was selling it for his friend, who had been less than honest with him. The seller refunded a good portion of the purchase price to help me pay for repairs.
 
The plan

Yeah, I am happy it is resolved. They are giving me $75 back, which should cover a decent portion of the repairs/upgrades.

My plan is to seal up the engine first and see what that does. I also looked at the schematic of the engine, and it appears that their is washer missing between the fuel input and the HSN which may be causing an air leak too. The engine has really good compression, so I should be able to get it running again.

I got my new tx/rx (JR XS3 w/ R310) today, tested it, and it works great. I also ordered a new hardware kit so I can replace all the screws that are missing. (I swear this guy didn't know how to used loctite.)

Next, I am going to upgrade to the X tvps and radio box. I need to get new lower a-arms and skid plates because the ones on the truck now are completely trashed. Heck, by the time I am done this will be a whole new machine. I will take some picks. 🙂

Thanks for all the help!
 
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ThaDentist said:
Updated - I was finally able to contact the seller. It turns out he was selling it for his friend, who had been less than honest with him. The seller refunded a good portion of the purchase price to help me pay for repairs.
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great news thadentist! rockout
 
ThaDentist said:
Updated - I was finally able to contact the seller. It turns out he was selling it for his friend, who had been less than honest with him. The seller refunded a good portion of the purchase price to help me pay for repairs.
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thats good news dentist glad to here the seller did this for you. i would say to take the truck out after you get it running and bash it as it is then you will find the weak points and go from there with the money you got back
 
That is a great thought, Mickey. With as many surprizes as I have found, I would dare bet there are few more to come.
 
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