Nomadio Tach Install and setup on a savage

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Nomadio Tach Install on a savage

this is the sensor and 2 magnets.
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Here’s how I installed the tach sensor on my Savage X.

A place was needed to mount the sensor and 2 magnets that rotates and has to be after the transmission, the smaller diameter the better. I picked the cup the dogbones go into, first I marked 2 spots 180 degrees apart for balance.
(the silver dot)
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Then drilled a hole to countersink the magnet.. After drilling the holes I cleaned up the plastic shavings from the hole with an exacto knife and cleaned the area with nitro cleaner. I inserted the magnets in opposite poles facing out you can do this by sticking the magnets together then marking the ends with a sharpie, then install them with the marked ends out this way the sensor can see the reversing poles.
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. Next I epoxyed the magnets in place and covered over the top of them, I used 2-ton epoxy for this, I would have used JB weld but was afraid the metal content in the JB weld might interfere with the magnetic field’s./.

After the epoxy dried for the magnets I just used the 2 ton epoxy to tack the sensor board in place as close to the magnets as I could without touching them, after the tacking epoxy dried enough to hold the sensor pretty tight,. I then tested the placement by turning on the sensor and selecting the tach display, I spun the wheels and made sure I got a reading.

When I was happy with the sensor placement I cut 2 pieces of close hanger and laid them in place extending out over the side of the transmission casing and bent them so they were touching the sensor board, this was added just for some extra support. Then I used JB weld and covered the close hanger pieces and used it to hold the sensor tight. (we will see how long it holds)
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I let it dry over night, and tested it using the tach display on the radio again the next day.

Now to get the settings for the radio so I will get correct speed readout..

There are 2 parameters needed to be set in the radio, rollout in inches, and rollout in revs, there are 2 methods of getting the number’s you need one is by calculating them, the other by actually measuring them. The measurement method was my first choice but that meant counting the number of turns for a distance the truck is rolled. This would have meant getting down on the floor and counting the turns, because of physical limitations due to illness I cannot do this. Plus the longer distance the more accurate the reading. Because of this I choose the calculation method which should be more accurate anyway.

First you need the dia of the tire’s, I have dogbones on this truck, I looked them up and found they are 150mm dia, I used google to convert this to inches and got 5.90551181 inch’s in dia. Then you take the dia and multiply it by Pi (3.14159265) so
5.90551181 x 3.14159265 = 18.55271 inch’s, so that is the circumference of the tire, or the distance the truck will roll in one revolution of the tire.
Since the tach sensor is in front of the differential we need the reduction ratio of the differential, the ratio for a stock diff is 43:13, so to figure out how far the truck will travel in one revolution of the axel. To do this take the ratio and divide the smaller gear (the one on the drive shaft to the transmission) and divide it by the gear on the dogbones turning the tires so in this case 13 / 43 = 0.302325 this number gets multiplied by the circumference of the tire so 0.302325 x 18.55271 = 5.6089 inches, that is the distance the truck travels in one rotation of the axel between the transmission and the diff. now this just needs to be converted into a fraction so it can be input into the radio. Do this by multiplying it by a number (200 or larger) I will use 500, so 500 x 5.6089 = 2804.45 rounded off to 2804 so the fraction would be 2804/500 these are the numbers to ebnte into the radio

Rollout in inches = 2804
Rollout in revs = 500

So for every 500 revolutions of the axel the truck will travel 2804 inches…

The same 2 parameters are needed for the tach setup, I just turned the cb till the axel where the sensor is rotated 1 time, it was about 6 turns of the CB for the axel to turn 1, this was a little off and will only be good for 1st gear since the radio has no settings for the other gears, plus it has no way to tell which gear your in anyway. I just used 6, and 1 in the tach setup.

I hope this helps, I couldn't find much of any info for doing this on a Savage. I would of had more pictures but my camera battery died on me during this so I missed out getting pic's on a couple steps.
 
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Nice I was a bit poor and in a hurry so I bought the dx3 with 2 receivers but I really wanted the react. did you get the react or sensor. Have you seen the skins for the react. They look real good.
 
I got the sensor, It seems like they are basically the same radio though, I really don't know what he difference is. I was suprised about all the features on it, it even talks. there was a Sensor radio with 2 of the V2 rx's for $199 just a week ago or so, I am starting to ee them on ebay (that's what I am talking about) lately. I couldn't talk myself into buying a new one at those prices.

What akins are you talking about, for the display? Do you know if they will work with the sensor?

thanks
 
I found the splash screens in the software, you can load MP3's also, I loaded up the HPI racing logo, they have a bunch of logos in the sample folder. Pretty cool, I am going to have to make a couple.
 
I thought you were talking about the splash screens, at least I found them because of the mistake. It lets you load wav files for different actions, like warnings or connect etc... Might have to make some of my own voice. those skin's are pretty cool too.
 
Your calculations appear to be correct to me, Wister. What clutch bell and spur gear do you have installed?

Is the intention to obtain road speed as well as engine rpm? And the sensor picking up the rate of rotation of the outdrive is what determines that, based on your rollout distance and your bell-rotation-to-outdrive-rotation relationship, correct?

If so, using the numbers you obtained you'll only get accurate rpm when in first gear, as you mentioned. Is that what you want? If you'd like, I can calculate the numbers to input based on any of your three gears (dependent on your bell and spur) so you can enter whichever you want, and change them if you wish.
 
Your calculations appear to be correct to me, Wister. What clutch bell and spur gear do you have installed?

Is the intention to obtain road speed as well as engine rpm? And the sensor picking up the rate of rotation of the outdrive is what determines that, based on your rollout distance and your bell-rotation-to-outdrive-rotation relationship, correct?

If so, using the numbers you obtained you'll only get accurate rpm when in first gear, as you mentioned. Is that what you want? If you'd like, I can calculate the numbers to input based on any of your three gears (dependent on your bell and spur) so you can enter whichever you want, and change them if you wish.

that would be great to have the numbers, I would actually have to change the parameters but it would be nice to see wat the max rpm's is in 3rd gear. the cb and spur are the standard ones, the manual says 17 and 47 tooth (I am still not exactly sure what the spur gear is, the one the slipper clutch with the spring that goes into the input drive shaft on the transmission?) if i is that gear in the manual it looks like it is 44 tooth, but the spur gear is listed as 47 tooth but it doesn't look like the one that has the slipper cklutch on it.

btw: you are exactly correct the sensor is on the shaft between the transmission and the front diff.

Thanks a million,

John
 
Good write up here John thanks for the great pic and info ..

You will recive REP from me .. THANKS !!!!
 
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Sorry for the delay, John!

With 17/47 gearing and a standard 3-speed transmission:
1st Gear: the clutch bell spins 6.54 times per rev of the output shaft
2nd Gear: the clutch bell spins 5.22 times per rev of the output shaft
3rd Gear: the clutch bell spins 4.24 times per rev of the output shaft

When 99.9% of people refer to the spur gear, it's the one the clutch bell turns, the one that's exposed. There are also gears inside the transmission called a spur gears, which is from where the confusion comes. They're the ones on the middle shaft that are in contact with the ones on the upper shaft.

The gears on the top (drive) shaft are called pinion gears, the ones they drive on the middle (idler) shaft are called spur gears, the other gear on the middle (idler) shaft that turns the gear on the bottom (gear) shaft is called the drive gear, and the gear on the bottom (gear) shaft is called the idler gear.
 
thank you very much, I gave you some rep points, thanks for the info on the transmission and gears. I would have never got those numbers, actually I was pretty close on the first one and really now that I think about it I can't use anything but whole numbers in the radio, I guess I should be able to multiply each by, well

1st Gear: the clutch bell spins 6.54 times per rev of the output shaft
6.54 x 1000 = 6540 and use whole numbers 6540/1000

2nd Gear: the clutch bell spins 5.22 times per rev of the output shaft
5220/1000

3rd Gear: the clutch bell spins 4.24 times per rev of the output shaft
4240/1000

I used 1000 to multiply them by because I think larger numbers are better, actully I gueess that would be for the rollout method where you roll the truck) if it wont let me enter these numbers I will use 100 or if I have to I will just round them off, thanks (I just set them it will go to 10000 max so I did the 3rd gear x 2000)

I think this could be useful setting the shift points, to!

I have a question about how shifting works, if you don't mind answering when you have the time.

The parts in between the gears that are the parts with the adjustment screww on them, do those lock the gear (there next to) onto the shaft so it only one turns the shaft and gear thats allways locked on it (I am doing this from memory of how it looks inside) so the adjustment set the speed or rpm's that the part will lock its gear to the shaft? or does it move the gear (its nest to) into pace? I don't really need to know this but I would like to know how it changes gears.

thanks for the help
 

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