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JESTUS

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So I was wondering what do you do to make taking the scews out of an new diff easier...I have 2 diffs to do today both are new and I gotta clean all the greens stuff off and open them up clean then and put in diff oil.But man the screws are really tight and I have already stripped screws on another new diff and don't want to mess up the 2 I am gonna do. so wht is the trick here?
 
I've had a few tight diff screws, Mr Rothenburger always sorts it out for me lol

Also make sure you have a good fitting, quality screwdriver to help prevent stripped heads, I have one screwdriver that's just for my diff case screws, I don't use it for anything else.

I wrap my diffs in a rag then undo the screws up against a wall, that way you can really get some good pressure on the head to also help prevent stripping.

Someone here mentioned using countersunk hex head screws as replacements, I think I'll be doing this next time I have my diffs open.
 
I am taking it you mean ha to th cu nd notthe screws themselves...Thanks for the help guys...guess I will go get my torch and see what happens...I will let U know
 
Also one end of the diff case has four flats, if you have a bench vice you could try gripping the case on the flats, leaving two hands free for turning your driver and applying pressure at the same time.
 
Heat is heat, but I like the heat gun method. Heats up the whole diff evenly. Plus a torch might get a little too hot if your not careful.
 
if you don't have a heat gun or torch bake em in the oven. 200 degrees about 20 min outta soften em up.
 
If you don't have a heat gun, try touching a hot soldering iron to the screw you're trying to remove. All you're really trying to do is soften the loctite so it'll release the screw.
 
Also one end of the diff case has four flats, if you have a bench vice you could try gripping the case on the flats, leaving two hands free for turning your driver and applying pressure at the same time.

this is what I do as well. just don't over tighten or pop ! you just need to heat them don't go cooking the thing. also you can let it cool b4 taking them out. once heated loctite does not reset. no need to work on them hot and risk burns.
 
I don;t know about the vise... just sounds like a bad idea. Persoanlly I just grabbed hold of the diff in the left hand (no rag, so the ring gear can really dig into your skin and stay gripped tight), and then turn the screws with a new quality phillips bit screw driver. Just apply enough pressure and you're good.

If you have little delicate girly hands and wimpy little boy muscles then I would try one of these 🙂

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93481\

Don't use a hammer though. Again just hold the diffs and push the impact driver straight in, until it snaps and breaks the screw loose... just make sure you got it set where it will loosen and not tighten, haha.
 
As Bank said as long as you don't over tighten the vice on the diff case its fine, personally I think thats why the flats on the case are there.

don't use a hammer on an impact driver? Whats the point? You may aswell just use a normal screwdriver lol

I've used impact drivers loads and they are good though, but not without a hammer :lmao:
 
There is no reason to strike it with a hammer and bottom out the internal spring and risk damage to such a small part. Just push it in until it snaps and rotates, the pressure you apply by hand will be enough, hammer is not necessary.

I didn't mean turn it like a screw driver, haha!
 
Plus it would be hard to hold the diff with one hand... hold the impact with another hand... and swing the hammer with your third hand 🙂
 
I think what he said before is that he presses down on it until it 'snaps', just like when you use a hammer on it.

I know what was meant mate 😉

There is no reason to strike it with a hammer and bottom out the internal spring and risk damage to such a small part. Just push it in until it snaps and rotates, the pressure you apply by hand will be enough, hammer is not necessary.

I didn't mean turn it like a screw driver, haha!

Bottom out the internal spring? Crikey, are you thinking of hitting the driver with a sledge hammer? lol

An impact screwdriver without the impact is just a screwdriver.

Forcing down by hand, an impact driver is no different to using a normal screwdriver, the driver uses a spiral spline between the outer case of the driver (the handle) and the inner core with a spring in the centre to return the driver back to fully extended position after each cycle.

As you force down on the driver and the spiral spline forces the centre core to turn, this causes the handle of the driver to be forced in the opposite direction (Newtons third law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction), this downward force converted to twisting force by the spiral spline would need to be counter acted by your hands to make it loosen the screw, so in reality, instead of turning a screwdriver, you are holding the handle of the impact driver with equal force to turning a standard screwdriver, to prevent the handle of the impact driver from turning.

Push down on an impact driver without holding the handle, the handle will just turn without turning the inner core.

There is no mystical magical force that using an impact driver by hand provides, you would, obviously unknowingly to you, be doing the same thing as a using standard driver, providing by hand, equal down and turning forces.


Plus it would be hard to hold the diff with one hand... hold the impact with another hand... and swing the hammer with your third hand 🙂

No problem, I could do that 😉 spending 7 years as a HGV diesel fitter then another 8 in the building trade teaches you to do jobs that require two pairs of hands with just one, with a vice it would be even easier.

The diffs are pretty tough too, lightly using an impact driver, with an impact lol wouldn't damage the diff at all, I'm not talking about roundhouse swinging a 2lb club hammer on it lol but a couple of light blows on the driver would do the diff no harm whatsoever.

no rag, so the ring gear can really dig into your skin and stay gripped tight

I recommend the use of a thick rag to hold the diff and partially cover the exposed parts of your hand while doing this for a couple of reasons.

When the diffs ring gear gets worn them teeth can be pretty sharp, I have thickened skin on my hands so its not much of a problem to me, but your average office worker say, with baby soft skin would find it extremely uncomfortable and hard to grip the diff with the teeth cutting into their skin, with a rag the teeth bite into it instead of your skin, and you can gain much better grip than trying to hold a greasy slippery diff with bare hands.

If the screwdriver was to slip under the amount of downwards and turning force sometimes needed to release these stubborn screws with your hand so close holding the diff, then a thick rag doubled or trebled up could make the difference between a minor injury, cut/graze or whatever and having the screwdriver penetrate through your hand and sticking out the other side, I have seen it happen.

:smilie8:
 
After reading your explanation of how the impact screwdriver works I started looking into it...

I am not sure what the internals of mine looks like (I could speculate but that doesn't do anybody any good, haha). All I know is what it does. If you push mine straight in it compresses sometype of spring I guess because there is tension that gets harder and harder the further you push it in. At this point there is no rotational force being applied to the screw by the tool or user. Once you compress it a certain distance, or apply the necessary inward force (however you want to look at it) the driver tip will snap and rotate about an 1/8th of a turn.

My guess is as you compress it it must have a type of spiral spline inside, but the spline must be twisting up some type of torsion spring or whatever and once it gets so far it lets go?

After trying to figure them out, I found at least 10 different explanations of how they work on the internet. I don't know if there are really that many types, or maybe there are just that many ideas of how they work, haha?

If they are as simple as an outer case with a spiral spline and an inner shaft with a matching spline, it would be hard (I think) to make them reversible? Also I would think if you struck it with a hammer it would be nearly impossible to hold the driver from just rotating in your hand, instead of rotaing the stuck screw.

I was joking about the rag thing, kinda. Shouldn't be much of a chance of a screw driver slipping out of a screw head if it is philips, especially a flat head phillips screw. Now it if was a button head slotted screw I'd be holdin with a rag 🙂
 
ok, now i have no idea what you guys are talking about, lol


i like bmcnavy's tip on using a soldering iron to weaken the loctite so +rep.
 
I like the sldering gun over a torch too +1 !! 🙂

I wen tto harbor freight today and looked at the two impacts they sell...

They operate just as Londoner says. I don;t know if the iside is like he described, but probably. They definitely turn ascompress the handle towards the screw.

Maybe what I have isn't called an impact?

What I have looks identical to the impact in the link that I posted... just works differently. I'll see if my dad remembers where he got it. I kind of inherited it *wink wink* right before I got married, hehe. I always assumed it came from harbor freight, cause that is where he always bought tools that he knew he would only use a couple times.
 
So I was off to day and went at my new diffs. Things went really well, I used the torch to heat things up for about 15-20 sec. The screws came out like butter. I didn't strip any of the screw heads. Thanks for the tips you all gave me. now all I need is some new gaskets. some 2 should have told me that 4 diffs need 4 gaskets not 2...LOL
Joe
 
Wait, did you buy two new gaskets already? If so, that's all you need to get your truck going. Are you actually doing four diffs? I'm confused, LOL.
 

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