cant start my new savy

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juddmyers

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trying to break in my new savy and having trouble.

With the piston at the top, I can't spin the metal flywheel with my fingers. Just trying to say its that tight.

The roto start won't spin it through the top either unless I hit the button several times in a row.

Help
 
Try loosening the glow plug to get rid of some of the pressure.
 
Go grab your wife/mother/girlfriends hair dryer crank that thing to high and hot and work that motor up. This should help out a lot with starting that tight motor. Also, like savageXss said you can loosen the glowplug 1/3 of a turn which will help to. The pre-heat will do wonders.
 
thanks guys! I'll try the preheat, I have tried to loosen the gp, however when I put the gp heater on it, I have to twist it to lock It on and that tightens it back up.
 
I believe they meant to loosen the gp to relieve pressure in the head long enough to return the piston to the bottom. Then tighten the gp back up before trying to start it. I read also before the first fire up to put 2 drops of after run oil on the piston through the gp hole to help lube it little more. This may help get the piston back to bottom and also lubricate the sleeve before trying the first fire up.
 
I don't currently have any after run oil or I would give it a try.

I have fuel coming out of the pipe now, but if I remove the plug and turn it upside down, nothing comes out. So I don't think I am flooding it.
 
Actually we were meaning to leave the GP loose untill the truck starts then tighten it back up. You are correct man if you have the push and turn on igniter this is a bit more diffacult but you just need to put the igniter on and back it off once you have the igniter on.

I'm also not sure if the ARO will help any as it will just increase the compression ratio as it fills the top up. It may help it slip threw that tight pinch a bit easier but not sure if its really a gain. The heat should do your trick though.

A new engine can be a PITA expecialy for someone new.
 
Heat is the key and loosening the plug. Just don't forget to tighten it after its started.
 
:sport-smiley-026: Hey juddmyers,first of all,Welcome to the club.Second,the above info should hep you out ,but may I add that when my rotostart battery is even a little low ,It just doesnt have the torque to turn over my K4.6 even after break in.That thing was so tight before break in ,you could not turn the flywheel with your hand.Try the preheat and the lube after maxing the charge on the rotostart.Good luck ,and let us know how you make out. Peace
 
i've used aro on every engine i've broke in for the first start as i figure atleast its not turining over unlubricated for the first couple secs and i heat up the block as well!! oh and yes welcome to the forum
 
Thanks for the welcome guys. Well, I had about an hour to work on it today and didn't get it started. However I am being careful, taking the glow plug out and checking for fuel a lot. I guess I am going to call it a night on that.

So I am going to charge my roto start tonight and give it another try tomorrow. I will heat it with a hairdryer, losen the GP some and give it a try.

I read somewhere else about putting your roto start bit into a cordless drill and use it instead.

What do you guys think of that idea? I don't mind trying it.....just worried about tearing up the engine. For instance if I didn't get it warm enough with the hairdryer, would turning it over with a drill hurt it?
 
That's ok to do as long as the drill has a clutch! If it floods, you need to have it stop turning or you could hydro lock the motor and bent the little connecting rod.
Dave
 
Well, It was 50 here today and I was trying to start it in the kitchen floor. I was right in front of the sliding glass door and had it cracked.

Tomorrow its going to start out about 40 but drop all day till it gets 32 or below.
 
It's Alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well... sortof

Got it to start twice this AM, seems that the roto start charging over night and the hair dryer has helped wonders.

I got it to fire up and had to pick it up because the wheels were wanting to spin...(keep in mind i am doing this in my kitchen) once I opened the door to go outside and let it idle, it died. I came in and tried again, on one of my trys the roto locked...I got worried and removed gp and checked for flooding but its ok. Tried to start again and it fired up! However it died again before I could get it outside.

That being said...now I am wondering if it's to loud to be running this time of the morning.... I might have to wait a couple hours.

Judd
 
Dang...now that i waited... I can't get it to start at all again. Roto Start is spinning it without any problem. It is turning over and even sounds like it is about to start but as soon as i let my hand off the roto start I get nothing.

I guess the newbi learning curve is steep
 
Is your igniter charged and is the plug good. The check take plug out put on end of igniter and see it its hot close to the tip and there is no distortion in the wire.

If thats good are you sure your getting fuel to the engine. If not put your finger over the exhaust stinger and pull it 2 or 3 times. Check again if nothing repeat untill there is fuel there.

If nothing works yet turn HSN counterclockwise 1/8th turn and keep trying. Also, turn the idel screw clockwise 1/4 turn.

If nothing open the operators manual and return all needles to factory and try again.

Remember to pre-heat. don't be afraid to use a little throttle to get it started.
 
If I give it gas it will start right up, but as soon as I let off the gas it dies. Not sure what to do to get it to idle this tank of fuel.

I don't have anything to get it up of the ground other than me holding it...if i sit it down and try to start it, then it will take off till i let off the throttle.

any ideas?
 
well if its cold outside wrap the head and make sure your plug isnt foouled and the glow ignter is fully charged.aslo start over to factory and lean a 1/4 of a turn and see if that will work.
 
Just tried again...and giving it gas It will fire up everytime. However it is no where near being able to idle. After it starts I pick it up and the wheels are spinning fast.... If I put the brakes on so I can sit it down then it dies.

I am still excited that I have at least got it to start though!!!!!!!
 
Something I have noticed the last few months, I had a tough time with my 4.6 RTR with the F4.6 motor, too. I am pretty sure you have the F4.6 on a RTR because you have he rotostart and are having a hard time keeping it running. don't worry it will be running like a champ soon (you wont beleive it if this is your first nitro),

This is what I noticed, people that buy the XSS kit don't have the same problem but I hav seen this time and time again. I think, well I know the problem why it wont stay running is it is rich, I had to lean my LSN to get mine going. with the K4.6 they come with a pullstart and the F4.6 come with a rotostart, I am pretty sure the default settings on the F4.6 are much much richer than the K4.6 because it is a lot easer to keep starting it over and over with the rotostart. the K4.6 default settings are much leaner I had no problem with breaking it in.

What made me think of this theroy is I thought if I had a pull start on that f4.6 motor I would have snt it back. (cause it was my first nitro)

So defentily lean your LSN or HSN, so it will run withoput you having to keep your finger on the throttle.

Here is a thread where the guys here helped me whe I came when I was breaking mine in

Lots of good stuff in these threads
https://www.hpisavageforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2870


and this is a thread put together for newbies. Packed full of good info and links (anyone ever hear from Doobeewha lately?)

https://www.hpisavageforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3008
 
If this is your problem then lean the needles a touch like 1/8-1/4 turn. If it still does it then turn the idle screw open (clockwise) till it will idle.
 
Awesome guys!! This is my first nitro and it is the 4.6, so maybe it is too rich. I am about out of time to play with it today and a cold front is coming in this weekend..but I will read those links, print them off and give it a try as soon as weather permits.

I am really timid right now on adjusting needles and things...I guess being my first one, I am worried about tearing up the motor.

Thanks for all the great advice, with your help I WILL get this beast running.
 
Don't be afraid of wrecking the motor they are actually pretty durable and can take a lot. I think sometimes people put off a bad tast to how brittle they actually are. Don't be afraid of adjustments. If the thing sounds sick you will know, you will also know if its way to hot as it will revv. Anyhow good luck. You will engjoy it alot once you get it broke in.
 
I too had some trouble getting my engine to fire up and run right when I first started, and it's frustrating to say the least.

As far as the wheels wanting to spin...the same thing happened to me, and please allow me to recommend a small solution - $8 PVC Savage Stand (linking to my own thread - pompous I know) - I used this to keep mine off the ground while I let it idle, as the wheels wanted to spin. When I tried to lower the idle so that the tires wouldn't spin, it would die, so I just let it idle with the wheels turning a bit.

I would also echo the sentiments of others: Make sure those batteries are fully charged! Don't be afraid to let it idle off the ground with the wheels spinning to break it in. Also, don't be afraid to make small adjustments to the settings - as long as you move 1/8 of a turn or so each adjustment, you should be able to find the sweet spot without putting your engine in danger.
 
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