kit or rtr

[Kevindc754]

kit or rtr

[trashard]

I always want a kit version.
I want to know how my car is built

[TH3180]

I voted kit by no means am I an expert but I have owned one kit and one RTR the RTR I ended up checking everything and spent almost as much time as if I would have just bought a kit plus with a kit you know how it's built and with me there is a certin bit of pride knowing that I built the truck from the ground up
Just my $.02 take it for what you will

[Kevindc754]

Thanks for the comments...comments help the most, so please vote and tell why you voted for that choice. It helps me a lot..thanks

[Droogmole SS 4.6!]

always buy a kit..that way you can find your probs much easyer and your sure you've got all the parts you need and you can tune and add hop ups to it before its running..
also the building of your own truck i just awesome!

[RAFF113]

depends on if your new to the hobby ,if u only no abit and u dont no anybody else who also drives then rtr ,the first time i bought rtr and when something broke i didnt have a clue , now i no my x inside out so the next time i buy one it will be kit

[trashard]

depends on if your new to the hobby ,if u only no abit and u dont no anybody else who also drives then rtr ,the first time i bought rtr and when something broke i didnt have a clue , now i no my x inside out so the next time i buy one it will be kit
I bought only 1 rtr and I will never do it again.
I had 3 major repairs before actually knowing how it`s assembled and one of those was because a screw near the spur gear came out and trashed my spur and driveshafts.
I always buy a kit now to make sure that my car is assembled correctly.
I`m 12 years into RC now and my first 2 cars were kits I bought when i was 18.
it`s not that hard to build a kit, I think it`s much harder to repair a car without knowing what`s broken or where to find the problem.

[Xjeepguy]

If you want to know the truck well, and not have to pay the LHS to fix it, get the kit. RTR is killing the hobby.

[shadow6223]

If you want to know the truck well, and not have to pay the LHS to fix it, get the kit. RTR is killing the hobby.
i cant agree more RTR's are really hurting the hobby cause its getting harder and harder to find kits of what you really want but at least manufactures are starting to make more kits again so hopefully it swings back to more kits than rtr's

[Xjeepguy]

When I first started back in '86, you had to build all of them. The only RTR was the traxxas cat, and nobody really wanted it anyway lol.

Building your own RC is the only way to learn how the car works and how to repair it. It is alot harder to take something apart when you have no idea how to do it properly. The LHS's are raking in the dough from people who buy a RTR, and think they cant fix it. The truth is that you CAN fix it if you try. Just my .02.

[4RuNNeRMaNiA]

well rtr is for beginners (like me).. :p it's ok for us if something breaks.. coz at least what is it for.. it like a learning experience for us.. and kit for advance user.. they have more knowledge on what parts are the best and what to use..

[TH3180]

I bought a RTR for my 1st truck I wish I wouldn't have it was a lot harder to fix it when I broke stuff then I bought my 2nd truck the SS 4.6 kit and it made things a lot easier when I broke stuff because I some what knew what went where if you can read instructions, you can put a kit togther I think some people get scared by all those parts in there nice little bags but in all reality if you are going to run a truck you are going to break stuff and unless you want to pay someone to fix your stuff you are going to have to learn how the truck is put together sometime I would rather find out how the truck is put together on a bench when it is clean and new rather than when I break something and I have to take time out of bashing to try and figure out how the truck is put together, to some up what I am trying to say is if you can look at the pics and read the words KITS AREN'T HARD I had more trouble figuring out my RTR than my kit and heck they are fun to build
Just my $.02 take it for what you will

[shadow6223]

well rtr is for beginners (like me).. :p it's ok for us if something breaks.. coz at least what is it for.. it like a learning experience for us.. and kit for advance user.. they have more knowledge on what parts are the best and what to use..

honestly i dont buy that cause my second rc car and first nitro car was a kit it really isnt that hard to put on together the savage ss 4.6 was the first one i built and i built the whole thing in about two days and about another to break it in and i had no experience building and i built it fine with no trouble at all

[shadow6223]

im not trying to imply that 4Runnermania is wrong but like Th3180 said they really arent that hard to build and if nothing else for me it gave me something to do for a while so my .02 cents go with a kit there more fun in the long run

[Xjeepguy]

With modern step by step instructions, and forums to help ;) anybody can build a kit. I didn't have either one of those when I was starting out and I got it. It is actually very easy. Just follow the instructions. :)

[bjohanson1234]

I would say it all depends on your budget. Also on what you want out of it
If you only have a set amount to spend, the RTR might be cheaper since you wont have to buy all the electronics separatly. However, remember you get what you pay for and if you are like me, you want a better radio for all cars and end up spending the money anyways.

As for not knowing how to fix a RTR, i dont buy that. You have the instruction book and a helpfull forum here so with a little bit time put into it, anyone can figure out how to fix a problem

IMHO i beleive it all depends on buget

Brian

[jdogg_js_here]

If you want to know the truck well, and not have to pay the LHS to fix it, get the kit. RTR is killing the hobby.

The first real rc I bought was rtr, I wouldn't have bought it if it had been a kit at that point I didn't have a clue how to do anything on an rc car. Now I have no problem pulling my car apart and rebuilding it.

But I have to disagree about RTR killing the hobby, I think that alot more people are getting into the hobby becouse of the RTR. Alot of people are worried about spending $400-$600 or more on a kit when they have no experiance with RC's. The first thing they think is am I going to be able to do this or will I ruin it and waste my money?
They can get a RTR and not have to worry about that. With the RTR a parent who has no experience with RC can get one for their kid.

After you have had a RTR and replaced a couple of parts you will figure out that you can build a kit, And the next one you buy; yes there will be a next one, we all know that you will buy more then one:D can be a kit.

[Xjeepguy]

Well, the problem I see, that I didn't see 20 years ago, is that alot of folks can go out and buy a RTR kit, break it, then are either too afraid to try to fix it, or they take it to the LHS in which case they will never learn to fix it.

Maybe I am a little old fashoned, but I started running hobby grade R\C when I was 10, and I had to bite the bullet and put my first car together (which was to date one of the most complex cars I ever owned) and eventually got it. My point is, eventually people are going to have to learn to repair their R\C's, so why not start from the beginning? It helps with terminology and it helps with basic repair and troubleshooting.

The other problem lies in the fact that manufacturers dont make basic kits. You cant get the same truck that comes in RTR version as a kit. The kit is always hopped up and more expensive, which scares new people away from the kits all the more. So unfortunately the RTR is always the cheapest bet starting out.

I am not trying to down anybody, or say that it is an exclusive club that only builders should be allowed, I am saying that what used to be a right of passage and a great feeling of accomplishment is near extinction.

[sleeper341]

i agree with you XJ, it gives such a sense of satisfaction when you have built you car and then drive it and you can see the fruits of your labour in action.

It is so helpful to know how it goes together and what is what which is invaluble when it comes to repairs. Also if you know what each part of the car is it makes so much more sense when you look at hop ups and what they will do to enhance the performance of the car.

KITS ALL THE WAY FOR ME! :D

[trashard]

at first I wanted to buy the savvy X but there was only an RTR version available, I already have 3 radios, 2 glowstarters and 2 fuel bottles so why pay for all that stuff when you can get hop-ups for the same amount of money.
then I wanted a hellfire BUT........ only an RTR version!
now I`m looking for a kyosho inferno GT BUT........ only an RTR version!
now I found 2 other rc race cars; the kyosho evolva and the HPI proceed.
luckily for me those 2 are kits but they don`t have .28 engines like the inferno GT.
for me RTR IS killing the hobby, almost everytime I found a car which I want to have it`s a ####### RTR!
I agree with XJ on that point but if you`re new to the hobby and you know crap about nitro cars & engines RTR is a solution.
Ladies and gentlemen manufacturers would you please be so kind to produce both the kit as the RTR version?
take an example out of tamiya, they got the XB series( expert built ).
the XB series are basically factory assembled kits.
every kit they produce is available as an RTR version.
that`s the way it should be, both the kit as well as the RTR for sale at the same time.

[Kevindc754]

Thanks guys for the comments

[Kevindc754]

r kits hard and are the pieces easy to lose....rate the difficulty 1-10 ten being the easiest....that would help me a lot

[Xjeepguy]

You can do it, just get the kit. It will give you a better idea of how it works. On a 1-10 scale? I say 5.

[shadow6223]

i agree with xj they are pretty easy youll be happier in the long run if you can follw directions the thing goings together really easily the instrustion are great the only hard part i ran into was the clutch shoes just cause the picutres were to small but id say just go with the kit and Xjeep you said kits are the only way they were to bad i wasnt in the hobby then im only 15 and id always go with a kit i couldnt be happier with the ss 4.6 i got i love the thing lots of hard earned cash in that beast

[Droogmole SS 4.6!]

its really easy to build a kit.. the instruction manual is very detailed and just follow the pictures and most important thing is take your time to do it right
i've done 3 days till i had my 4.6 finished
also nic thing of the kit is that you've got a part number for every part that on the sav zo if you ned to replace something just look for the number and go to your LHS or online LHS...

[TH3180]

Yup go with the kit I would say the SS kit was about a 4.5 on toughness

[Ult1mateSavage]

Well I a noob so I of course got the RTR version, but when I gain more experience with them in the future, I would more likely get the Kit version.

It would just like me building my own computers instead of buying a pre made one from companies like Alienware, Sony, Dell etc etc.

[jdogg_js_here]

The kits are easy to build and will help you when you have to replace a part. You also can ask any question you have about building it on here if you get stuck.

[HPI_Savage25]

well i am only 13 and don't have the time to do a kit and if I did my savage would be an antique by the time it qwas completed and wouild be at least 20 years old so I just went with the rtr since it was my 1st and never had ANY exsperience with Nitro cars or electrics besides radioshack

[sleeper341]

my savage was my first nitro vehicle and i insisted on the kit - its the best way to get to know the car before you break something and have to strip it down :D

Like XJ said, get the kit, you'll be fine. the instructions are clear and pretty simple and you know if you get stuck we will all help you with any questions you have.

good luck

[Kevindc754]

so should i get a savage x or a 4.6

[HPI_Savage25]

I would go with the 4.6 so you can put what you want. just my .o2

[4RuNNeRMaNiA]

can we put it this way...

RTR = Ready made computers
Kit = You built your own computers

what is your first computer??

[HPI_Savage25]

m first was a RTR

[jdogg_js_here]

I would go with the X becouse of the updated parts that come on it. Yes you can upgade all of the 4.6 suspension parts to the X parts but you will end up spending alot more money in the long run. If you do go with the X just don't be afraid to work on your truck.

[sleeper341]

can we put it this way...

RTR = Ready made computers
Kit = You built your own computers

what is your first computer??


I don't think you should compare building a savage to building a computer. They are very different. My first PC was 'RTR' as it were but i built my most recent PC and had no experience in that either - just followed the instructions. So long as you can read and have an ounce of common sense any one can build a savage (or a PC).

I also built a conservatory and converted my roof space into a bedroom and I have no building experience either!

[trashard]

I had a BMW and when the radiator broke I simply put another one in.
when the fuel pump was broken I couldn`t find a fitting fuel pump so I modified an alfa romeo fuel pump and it worked.
when the head gasket was blown out all I had was a book with explosion drawings of a BMW engine but I took off the cylinderhead and replaced the gasket and readjusted the valve timing.
I`ve never learned to be a car mechanic but with a simple book I was able to
drive & maintain my BMW myself for more than 4 years and more than 120.000 kilometres.
kits aren`t difficult, a BMW engine is WAY more difficult!

[Droogmole SS 4.6!]

i think that all your problems are solfd when you just buy the savage X SS4.6
its a kit and its completly updated..the only prob is that you have to wait till HPI brings it out

[HPI_Savage25]

yeah I would just WAIT WAIT WAIT you will be much happier!

[Droogmole SS 4.6!]

hmm thats true.. well buy the savage 4.6 than

[wildchild27]

i have built the plastic models for years and when i bought my ss it was no different than a plastic model a bag of parts and instructions it may look intimidating at first but just chillax and follow the instructions

[oregonmud]

Its been 3 years. I hope he decided by now.......

[SwampDawg]

.STEP1.
Building the truck is 50% the fun,

.STEP2.
Driving it is 40% the fun,

.STEP3.
Busting it is the other 10% the fun, so you can go back to .STEP1.

[robo74]

Its been 3 years. I hope he decided by now.......

I got a good laugh out of this one!

Thanks!



Rob

[Shaun]

Its been 3 years. I hope he decided by now.......


ha ha i didnt even realize the date!! lmao who brought it back up? lol

[rc ch]

gotta be rtr for me.. i turn em into a pile of parts in 5 min anyways

[f1n3sse]

I would never buy an rtr. building it is the best part.

[Cwheeling]

I will always buy a rtr, because if you drive it like you own it, It will be a kit by the end of the day anyways. Then you put it back together like you want it. Just my thoughts

[whipnet]

I would never buy an rtr. building it is the best part.

Bingo! And take it apart and build it again. :)

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[frddyj]

now that i have experience, i would either buy a roller from sickhobbies.com & upgrade or just buy carbon-fiber tvps then all upgrade parts.

i have a mega-upgraded savage now & almost a complete stocker rtr in parts that i took off to upgrade

[Mickey]

well thread is three years old but alot of good opinions here so heres mine.
i would buy an rtr and run it to the bone and then upgrade as i broke it lol it gets put into kit form everyweek. plus i find i learn more as i pull something apart better than following a book. so thats my opinion on this subject lol